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Rzay
post Apr 20 2018, 21:24
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Вопрос: герцогиня с библейским именем, в то время как имя её отца - на наш слух фэнтезийно-киношное, а прозвище сына - инфернально-оперное (но наиболее известен ее внук, воины которого как-то раз попали в глаз тестю... впрочем, это уже слишком прозрачно будет). Сама она вышла замуж за сына соседского герцога, в то время как ее брат женился на дочери того. Наверное всё, что есть в ней примечательного - но всё-таки угадайте, кто такая.
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Эх вы...
Загадана Юдифь Бретонская герцогиня Нормандская, дочка бретонского герцога Конана I (не знаю уж, насколько он был варваром) и мать нормандского герцога Роберта Дьявола.
И бабушка Вильгельма Завоевателя, чьи воины в битве при Гастингсе, как известно выбили глаз тестю Владимира Мономаха - англосаксонскому королю Гарольду II.

Такие дела.


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post Oct 20 2018, 10:55
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как известно выбили глаз тестю Владимира Мономаха - англосаксонскому королю Гарольду II.

Кстати, а какие-ниубдь русские источники про эту самую Гиту Гарольдовну пишут? А то в википедической стаье про нее, что в русской, что в английской, ссылаются только на Саксона Грамматика.


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post Oct 20 2018, 13:12
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QUOTE(Rzay @ Oct 20 2018, 11:55)
Кстати, а какие-ниубдь русские источники про эту самую Гиту Гарольдовну пишут?
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Ипатьевская летопись под 1107 годом:
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[6615 (1107)] в се же времѧ престависѧ Володимерѧ кнѧгини . мс̑ца . маиӕ  . въ . з҃ . дн҃ь . того же мс̑ца.

http://litopys.org.ua/ipatlet/ipat12.htm

Войтович ошибочно считает, что в том же году Владимир Мономах женился на дочери половецкого хана Аэпы Асеневича (вероятно, сын взятого в плен у Белой Вежи хана Асана), но на самом деле брак с ней заключил его сын Георгий (то есть Юрий Долгорукий) в начале того же года (12 января):
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и поӕ Володимеръ за Гергиӕ Епиѡпину дщерь Ѧсѣну внука . а Ѡлегъ поӕ Акаепиду дщерь . Ӕневу внуку . мс̑ца генварѧ . во вторы на . ı҃ . дн҃ь . мс̑ца.

(там же)

Тогда же Святослав Ольгович (сын черниговского князя Олега) женился на дочери другого хана с именем Аэпа.

Брак Гиты с Владимиром Мономахом (Valldimar Konongr sun Iarozlaeifs konongs I Holmgarde) упоминается также в скандинавских источниках (Fagrskinna). Правда он назван там сыном Ярослава (который на самом деле был его дедом). Владимир Ярославич, сын Ярослава Мудрого, был князем Новгорода (Хольмгарда) в 1036-1052 гг. Один из сыновей Ярослава был женат на Оде, дочери Леопольда графа Штаде, это или Владимир, или смоленский князь Вячеслав.


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VLADIMIR Vsevolodich, son of VSEVOLOD I Iaroslavich Grand Prince of Kiev & his first wife [Maria or Irina] of Byzantium (1053-19 May 1125). The Primary Chronicle records the birth of Vladimir son of Vsevolod "by the Greek princess" in 1053[377]. Morkinskinna records that “Valdimarr”, father of “Haraldr Valdimarsson”, was “the son of King Yaroslav and Ingigerdr, the daughter of Óláfr the Swede”, although this skips a generation in the generally accepted genealogy of the Rurikids[378]. Prince of Smolensk 1077 and 1095. Prince of Chernigov 1078. He was installed as Prince of Pereyaslavl in 1097 at the Liubech conference. He paid considerable attention to the northern borderlands, building several castles and towns for strategic reasons. He founded the town of Vladimir on the bank of the Kliazma river in 1108[379]. According to Martin, the town of Vladimir was founded by his son Iurii "Dolgorukii"[380] but this is chronologically impossible if the town was indeed founded in 1108. The people of Kiev invited him to rule them in 1113 after the death of Prince Sviatopolk, but Vladimir refused. After a second invitation, he accepted and succeeded in 1113 as VLADIMIR "Monomach" Grand Prince of Kiev. He captured Turov, Volynia where he installed his son Andrei in 1118, and Minsk in 1119[381]. Vladimir left an autobiographical document, which is referred to as his "testament" although it contains no bequests or detailed description of the members of his family, rather recounting his warrior exploits and giving general advice to his children (unnamed)[382].

m firstly ([1070]) [GYTHA [Eadgyth], illegitimate daughter of HAROLD II King of England & [his mistress Eadgyth Swanneshals] ([1050/55]-10 Mar [1098/99]). Gytha's estimated birth date range, based on the birth dates of her children and the estimated date of her husband's second marriage, suggests that she must have been King Harold´s daughter by his mistress Eadgyth Swanneshals, although this supposition is not based on any primary source data. The name "Gytha" suggests that in England she was originally called Eadgyth. Gytha´s existence, and her Russian marriage, are confirmed only by sources written in the late 12th/early 13th centuries, between 100 and 150 years after the estimated date of the marriage, although it is of course possible that these sources were based on earlier records which have since disappeared. None of the other earlier sources which name the sons of King Harold II, such as the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and Florence of Worcester, mention any daughters. According to Saxo Grammaticus, after her father's death she and her two brothers "immediately emigrated to Denmark" where Svend II Estrithsen King of Denmark "received them in a spirit of family duty" and arranged her marriage to "Waldemarus King of the Russians"[383]. Whether such a move can have been made "immediately" is open to doubt, considering the rebellions of her supposed brothers in England which are dated to 1068 and 1069 (see the document ENGLAND, ANGLO-SAXON & DANISH KINGS). Gytha is named as King Harold's daughter in Fagrskinna, which also gives her marriage to "Valldimar Konongr sun Iarozlæifs konongs i Holmgarde" (which appears to skip a generation in the generally accepted family reconstruction of the Rurikid dynasty). More details are provided by Morkinskinna, which records that the mother of “Haraldr Valdimarsson”, father of Malmfrid who married Sigurd King of Norway, was “Edith the daughter of Harold Godwinson” and that her husband was “the son of King Yaroslav and Ingigerdr, the daughter of Óláfr the Swede” (also skipping a generation)[384]. Morkinskinna appears to be the only source which attributes the additional name "Harald", indicative of his English ancestry, to her son Mstislav. The husband of Gytha has generally been identified as Grand Prince Vladimir Vsevolodich "Monomach"[385], but Morkinskinna is the only source which provides enough detail to suggest that this identification is correct. Baumgarten, particularly thorough in his source citations, cites no Russian source which corroborates the marriage[386]. The lateness of the sources in which Gytha and her marriage are recorded suggests that the information should be treated with some caution. In addition, it is surprising that no name from Gytha's supposed family (with the exception of "Harald" attributed to her son Mstislav in Morkinskinna) was used among the known descendants of Grand Prince Vladimir. While it is true that the Rurikid dynasty rarely imported foreign names for the male descendants, it was not unusual for females to bear names which are recognisable from the families of foreign princesses who married into the family, the obvious example being the Scandinavian name Ingeborg used by Vladimir's son Mstislav for his daughter by Christina of Sweden. The difficult question is to decide the likelihood of such a marriage in light of conditions at the time and contemporary attitudes: some arguments can be mustered for suggesting that a daughter of King Harold II may not have been considered a good marriage prospect. Gytha´s supposed mother was obscure and she herself was illegitimate, although it is recognised that Gytha was related to the Danish royal family through her paternal grandmother and that illegitimacy presented few barriers at the time in Scandinavian royal families. Her father´s death may have glorified him as a hero, or alternatively his defeat may have been viewed as ignominious, depending on the point of view. Her family lived in exile and were without influential connections, apart it seems from the king of Denmark, and her brothers fell into complete obscurity. If a Russian marriage was arranged for her, it is likely that her husband would have been one of the lesser princes of the dynasty: from this perspective, it is true that Vladimir Vsevolodich was at the time relatively obscure, as the son of the youngest surviving brother of the current Grand Prince without immediate prospects of succession. As noted above, the Scandinavian sources consistently propose a name similar to Vladimir for Gytha´s husband, although this should not be viewed as conclusive because difficult Russian names were frequently transcribed into contemporary western sources with more creativity than accuracy. The inevitable, if disappointing, conclusion is that doubts about Gytha´s existence and her Russian marriage cannot be dismissed entirely. Nazarenko reports that, according to a pateric formerly held by the cloister of St Pantaleon, Köln, Gytha died as a nun in Palestine 10 Mar [1098/99][387]. The year is inconsistent with the estimated date of Vladimir´s supposed second marriage (see below), unless he repudiated his first wife. This reported source has not yet been seen: hopefully, the actual text may help resolve lingering doubts concerning Gytha and her origin.]



[383] Christiansen, E. (1980) Saxo Grammaticus, Danorum Regum Heroumque Historia, Books X-XVI (B. A. R. International Series 84), XI, VI, p. 58.

[384] Morkinskinna, 66, p. 328.

[385] For example, in Baumgarten (1927), Table V, after p. 27.

[386] Baumgarten (1927), p. 24.

[387] Nazarenko, A. V. (2001) Древняя Русь на международньх путях [Dryobnya Rus´ ne Meyzhdunarodyech Lutyach/International Relations of Ancient Rus´] (Moscow). (not yet consulted, information provided by Jim Cyphers in a private email to the author dated 3 Dec 2010)


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