Римские имена
- Автор темы Aurelius Sulpicius
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Aurelius Sulpicius
Схоластик
Да, запамятовал его. Это тем более непростительно, что стараниями художников Секст Тарквиний известен даже более, чем его отец.
Значит, такие преномены появились еще в царское время.
Aurelius Sulpicius
Схоластик
Если правильно помню, личные имена римских женщин встречались еще и во времена Империи. Пример - Гнея Геренния Сея Орбиана (если правильно помню) - жена имп. Севера Александра.
Aurelius Sulpicius
Схоластик
Возвращаюсь к имени Гнея:
Cnaea Seia Herennia Sallustia Orba Barbia Orbiana Empress in 978 AUC, this lady's name reflects her distinguished ancestry and family connections. Cnaea is the feminine form of the praenomen Cnaeus, and the next five names are the names of the various Gentes and families from which she was descended or to which she was related. The last name of Orbiana is a personal name derived from the nomen or cognomen of Orba.
Нашел это по адресу
http://www.antonineimperium.org/roman_names.htm
Сейчас посмотрю, видимо, это какой-то ресурс по Антонинам.
Про необходимость недоверия сетевым ресурсам помню.
Cnaea Seia Herennia Sallustia Orba Barbia Orbiana Empress in 978 AUC, this lady's name reflects her distinguished ancestry and family connections. Cnaea is the feminine form of the praenomen Cnaeus, and the next five names are the names of the various Gentes and families from which she was descended or to which she was related. The last name of Orbiana is a personal name derived from the nomen or cognomen of Orba.
Нашел это по адресу
http://www.antonineimperium.org/roman_names.htm
Сейчас посмотрю, видимо, это какой-то ресурс по Антонинам.
Про необходимость недоверия сетевым ресурсам помню.
Aurelius Sulpicius
Схоластик
Это оттуда же -
Here is a list of the most common praenomina (first names) that were used by the Romans.
Appius Aulus Decimus Gaius or Caius Gnaeus or Cnaeus Lucius Manius Marcus Mamercus Numerius Publius Postumus Quintus Servius Spurius Tiberius Titus Vibius Vopsicus
These are men's names, but most of them can be adapted for women's use by changing the name to a feminine form. Vibia in place of Vibius, for instance, or Appia in place of Appius. Women were sometimes given names that indicated their relative position in a household, such as Maxima or Minor; daughters were sometimes given names that indicated their order of birth: Prima (first), Secunda (second), Tertia (third)
Here is a list of the most common praenomina (first names) that were used by the Romans.
Appius Aulus Decimus Gaius or Caius Gnaeus or Cnaeus Lucius Manius Marcus Mamercus Numerius Publius Postumus Quintus Servius Spurius Tiberius Titus Vibius Vopsicus
These are men's names, but most of them can be adapted for women's use by changing the name to a feminine form. Vibia in place of Vibius, for instance, or Appia in place of Appius. Women were sometimes given names that indicated their relative position in a household, such as Maxima or Minor; daughters were sometimes given names that indicated their order of birth: Prima (first), Secunda (second), Tertia (third)
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Sextus Pompey
Guest
Сразу скажу, что вопросы IV века меня не интерисуют.
Нормальная номеналогика была в республике и, с натяжкой, в I веке империи.
Далее началась "дурка" - почему мне она и не интересна.
Нормальная номеналогика была в республике и, с натяжкой, в I веке империи.
Далее началась "дурка" - почему мне она и не интересна.
Aurelius Sulpicius
Схоластик
А разобраться в ее причинах и формах?
Aurelius Sulpicius
Схоластик
Из приведенного мною перечня меня больше всего удивило имя Vibius. Никогдае встречал его в качестве преномена.
Aelia
Virgo Maxima
Вообще-то он везде Сервилий... Не знаю, откуда это пошло.Dis Augustis / Q(uintus) Marcius C(ai) f(ilius) Barea co
И почему у комментаторов к Тациту (А.С.Бобович, отв.ред. С.Л.Утченко) Барея Соран – Сервилий?
Aelia
Virgo Maxima
Вот что про Барею Сорана пишут в словаре Смита:
BAREA SORANUS, must not be confounded with Q. Marcius Barea, who was consul suifectus in a. d. 26. The gentile name of Barea Soranus seems to have been Servilius, as Servilia was the name of his daughter. Soranus was consul suftectus in a. d. 52 under Claudius, and afterwards proconsul of Asia. By his justice and zeal in the administration of the province he incurred the hatred of Nero, and was accordingly accused by 0storms Sabinus, a Roman knight, in a. d. 66 The charges brought against him were his intimacy with Rubellius Plautus [plautus], and the design of gaining over the province of Asia for the purpose of a revolution. His daughter Servilia was also accused for having given money to the Magi, whom she had consulted respecting her father's danger: she was under twenty years of age, and was the wife of Annius Pollio, who had been banished by Nero. Both Soranus and his daughter were condemned to death, and were allowed to choose the mode of their execution. The chief witness against father and daughter was P. Egnatius Celer, a Stoic philosopher, formerly a client and also the teacher of Soranus ; to whose act of villany Juvenal alludes (iii. 116),
" Stoicus occidit Baream, delator amicum,
Discipulumque senex."
Egnatius received great rewards from Nero, but was afterwards accused by Musonius Rums under Vespasian, and condemned to death. (Tac. Ann. xii. 53, xvi. 21, 23, 30—33, Hist. iv. 10, 40 ; Dion Cass. Ixii. 26 ; Schol. ad Juv. i. 33, vi. 551.)
http://www.ancientlibrary.com/smith-bio/0472.html
Но аргументация довольно слабая. Сервилией его дочь могла быть в честь матери, тогда это как раз было модно.
BAREA SORANUS, must not be confounded with Q. Marcius Barea, who was consul suifectus in a. d. 26. The gentile name of Barea Soranus seems to have been Servilius, as Servilia was the name of his daughter. Soranus was consul suftectus in a. d. 52 under Claudius, and afterwards proconsul of Asia. By his justice and zeal in the administration of the province he incurred the hatred of Nero, and was accordingly accused by 0storms Sabinus, a Roman knight, in a. d. 66 The charges brought against him were his intimacy with Rubellius Plautus [plautus], and the design of gaining over the province of Asia for the purpose of a revolution. His daughter Servilia was also accused for having given money to the Magi, whom she had consulted respecting her father's danger: she was under twenty years of age, and was the wife of Annius Pollio, who had been banished by Nero. Both Soranus and his daughter were condemned to death, and were allowed to choose the mode of their execution. The chief witness against father and daughter was P. Egnatius Celer, a Stoic philosopher, formerly a client and also the teacher of Soranus ; to whose act of villany Juvenal alludes (iii. 116),
" Stoicus occidit Baream, delator amicum,
Discipulumque senex."
Egnatius received great rewards from Nero, but was afterwards accused by Musonius Rums under Vespasian, and condemned to death. (Tac. Ann. xii. 53, xvi. 21, 23, 30—33, Hist. iv. 10, 40 ; Dion Cass. Ixii. 26 ; Schol. ad Juv. i. 33, vi. 551.)
http://www.ancientlibrary.com/smith-bio/0472.html
Но аргументация довольно слабая. Сервилией его дочь могла быть в честь матери, тогда это как раз было модно.
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Sextus Pompey
Guest
Согласен. Кстати, что это за консул 26 AD? Я такого в списках не нахожу...
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Sextus Pompey
Guest
Это-то понятно...
Но почему автор его относит к 26 году?
Но почему автор его относит к 26 году?
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Sextus Pompey
Guest
Если бы надпись относилась к 43 г., Цезарь был бы назван консулом...
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Sextus Pompey
Guest
Насколько я понимаю, надпись относится к первой половине 42 г. ВС. После Филиппийской битвы Цезарь стал дважды императором ("imp.iter.").
Но почему он "сын Гая", а не "сын Божественного"?
Но почему он "сын Гая", а не "сын Божественного"?
Aelia
Virgo Maxima
Нет, Октавиан же ушел в отставку как раз после образования триумвирата, суффектами стали Вентидий и Карринат. Так что надпись может относиться к концу 43 г. А может и, например, к 42 г. Может быть, он не сразу переименовался. Вы можете сказать, с какого года Октавиан стал называться "сын божественного". Я только могу сказать, что в 33 г. он так именовался.